Wednesday, July 31, 2013

This Weeks Twitter Stupidity

Its actually two weeks of stupidty as I've been on other articles rather than focus on this. But here we go.

In a short section focussing on one of my favourite nutjobs who have such weird extreme views on Forest is @antreas_x.








because a club panics when it has no sponsor meaning it has no cash,or rather they are secure and waiting for a good offer (or indeed just Fawaz himself) Last year we took a quick offer because we were skint. And i also appreciate the suggestion we have no away kit is because we are skint.. Not sure how you work out that.




This was Gary Hooper based, I kept it though because apparently the Champions League isn't competative.




It'd either mean no midfield or no defence. So no thanks



Because we choose to do business slowly, rather than rushing in with huge offers, or maybe agents holding it up, the selling club, the player,we don;t know, so just blindly accuse the club.




My favourite part of the always ridiculous Hannah's tweet,is that 2 days after claiming she had no idea who Mackie was she blogged this...http://foresteverforest.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/jamie-can-help-mackie-forest-fly.html where no she is an expert on where we will use and how...



Sarx is genuinely the stupidest man on Twitter. Twatstick mentioned the 4 year plan, in relation to a QPR film,and even explained this. Sarx doesn;t understand anything

New Poll: Should Season Ticket Holders Get Forest World For Free

Purely conjecture as it won't happen I am sure, but would you like to see season ticket holders be able to get Forest World for free. Afterall they have already spent so much money, and seeing the highlights of a game already attended plus away games might be a nice bonus.
Or should it be left how it is?

Tuesday, July 30, 2013

The Radio Nottingham Situation

I have largely ignored the whole Radio Nottingham debate so far, merely guessing that something would surely get sorted at some stage, and that it was just a simple game of Football Radio Coverage Chicken.
However, we are now on the Tuesday before the game and nothing has been confirmed. Might it be Saturdays are longer spent listening to Colin Frays coverage?

Now this had led some fans to go into a mini melt down on what they are to do without their usual regime, how the drive to the game, or drive home post game will be ruined, as if Radio Nottingham wouldn’t be able to even talk about the game before hand or present some post match summarising (it would merely jeopardise live match coverage)

No, a great many have simply decided the whole match day experience is going to be ruined. And I for one would lament the loss of local radio coverage.

But it wouldn’t mean there is no options. This is the day and age of football being a business and with FFP any source of cash is going to be used. If that means making sure people get Forest Player and having an in house service, then if it pays better than the radio, then Forest are well within their rights to look at it.

This isn’t me justifying it I hasten to add, just that this is the day and age we live in.
The benefit of an in house service financially begin to become clear. Advertising. And lots of it. Not just “this commentary is brought to you by” but anything and everything could be sold. This means not only might Forest sell the rights to commentary, but also the rights to advertise before, after and during half time, maybe even during the game (and player X is booked, and if you’re ever in trouble get yourself down to Y & Y Lawyers”) Again this is me taking things to an extreme and there’s no guarantee it would happen. Just could.

I think for so long we have been so spoiled with local coverage that this very idea is so alien as to appear more scary than what it might be. There were the days remember of cutting away from the match for County and Stags updates and perhaps missing something vital.

Now maybe this is Forest playing hard ball. Pushing Radio Nottingham into a corner so far as to crumble to club demands (and the fear mongering spread about Davies relationship with local radio based on nothing more than ignoring it) and almost become a club spokesman themselves.

Additionally in these trying times the BBC looking to cut corners may have cut back budget to spend on local football coverage, they may have a maximum price they can go to that Forest are deeming too low.
It is a dangerous game. Not having free to air Forest coverage on the radio risks jeopardising a future generation of fans unable to stay tuned to games, and not become so attached. That said, if we do get the supposed deal to broadcast every game on Kuwaiti TV, then most games would be available to stream for anyone with the simply tech savvy to know how.

I think the regime misunderstand the good will carrying on a contract with radio Nottingham even for a loss would bring. You can weight up financials or maybe a falling out all you want, but a lot of fans especially on away days count on this service for providing them with the coverage to follow the club the al-Hasawi’s own. That support is needed to sell tickets, shirts, etc. Distancing a set of fans from being able to follow on weeks they can’t attend in person might be a dangerous game, and it might over estimate what lengths people will go to. Everyone has a radio, but does everyone have easy access to streaming commentary, what about those who are driving for a start?

But now we have the extreme angle where people are tweeting at Radio Nottingham, the BBC in general, Fawaz, Jim Price, Forest Official, and Robin Chipperfield demanding answers, when the reason you aren’t getting one is that right now, there is no answer.

I can foresee a situation where if not in the day or so before hand, but in the 2 weeks between the first home game and the next games a compromise being reached. It just seems a case of obstinance for the sake of it, and although I can understand why the club would seek new revenue, it risks alienating a whole branch of fans.

Monday, July 29, 2013

Remember Them? Toddy Orlygsson

Well it has been a long long time since I did one of these. One of these features where we look at the lesser remembered players of the past, and just do a little round up. Just to put in context we previously did Nikola Jerkan, Thierry Bonalair, Felix Bastians and Brett Williams.

Orlygsson


This week we look at Icelandic winger Þorvaldur "Toddy" Örlygsson. We signed him in 1989, so as an 8 year old I was fairly excited at signing a foreign player, who were still fairly rare in the English game. Especially as at the time we were banned in Europe. Toddi was apparently Icelandic player of the year when we signed him.

Olygsson was a left winger, a position being contested at the time by Tommy Gaynor, with Ian Woan to be signed by the club not long after. We had also been using Garry Parker as a left winger the season before, with Hodge and Webb being stalwarts in the middle, before Webbs departure for Manchester United. This meant we need left sided cover with Parker moving back inside, which gave Olygsson some game time.

The next 2 seasons he would barely appear at all in the first team. The emergence of Scot Gemmill, and Kingsley Black coming in, and Woan’s continual development meant the midfield would shuffle around a bit. A young Irishman named Roy keane was also fresh on the scene and Parker departed for Villa. But Olygsson would feature quite often on the bench.

In the first year of the new Premier League, Olygsson featured more often than the previous season, and the team struggled. Used mainly as cover for Woan, who missed around 20 games that year, it wasn’t to be a fun season. Although he grabbed a goal, the team were relegated and afterwards Olygsson was let go by Clark as Forest roared back into the Premier League.

Icelandic football occasionally produces players of quality, say Eidur Gudjonsen, but into the late 80’s their league would have been about as good as Wales own league. Orlygsson after Forest had a successful two years at Stoke before drifting further down the league with Oldham, maybe finding his level somewhere between the lower second and third flights.

It was always clear he wasn’t up to the task of regular top level football, but back then we almost celebrated average players, like with Brian Rice. The problem was these average players ultimately led us to relegation.

Orlygsson ended up back in Iceland, finishing his playing career where he started with northern club KA Akureyri, where he ended up as player manager. He now manages IA Akranes in the Icelandic league. I’ll always remember him as pretty much being the first foreigner in my time to play for Forest. Hardly a signal of what was to come, but a player who always sticks in my mind.

Orlygsson played 37 times for Forest scoring twice.



Transfer Rumour Mill - Jul 29th

Well it’s all gone nuts this weekend rumours wise.


Charlie Austin
Well there is a few things with this one. Firstly the odds. I’ve never really been one to gamble on where a player ends up, its, well, a gamble. But apparently his odds keep plummeting, so people think it’s a sure thing. Now the basic thing is, if you keep gambling on something bookies react by lowering the odds and lowering their risk, if more people keep betting, odds keep dropping. So although it’s also because of likelihood, it’s also in response to betting habits. Furthermore was a rumour we have a medical booked in. The fact of course we have been chasing him for the summer, and that Burnley look resigned to selling, it almost came down to a us v QPR shoot out. However remember he did fail a Hull medical. And we know about us and medicals.


Kelvin Wilson
The other rumour that won’t go away, following having the £1.5 million offer rebuffed, we have gone back in with another offer, which is being accepted as it’s what Celtic apparently quoted. It’s believed to be around £3million mark, but that’s likely to vary on a final figure. Any deal would likely see add ons if we get promoted etc. Kelvin apparently wants to move back south, as he wants to be close to his family (and apparently young daughter)


Mahmoud Hassan
Or more well known as the Egyptian “Trezeguet.” This one is apparently dead in the water according to the latest news. The 20 year old has been put on a back burner due to his club al-Ahly demanding too much. Nice and Atletico Madrid are also balking at the fee’s demanded.


Grant Leadbitter
Another deal that seems to be going nowhere. Mowbray has been quoted as saying he is integral to the side, and having £2mill offers turned down, it seems we have got the message that he isn’t for sale.


Jason Holt
Following the news from Jim price on twitter that Forest haven’t given up on any of their targets, one has to assume therefore we haven’t given up on Jason Holt. Holt a central midfielder for Hearts would be available for a fraction of the Leadbitter cost, and we seem to have tested their financial resolve with a couple of low offers. Bear in mind Hearts are in a dire financial state, so if we were still in for him, surely £300k would test their breaking point, and maybe get him. Do we need more midfielders? Well in that defensive role maybe, Billy clearly doesn’t rate Gillett, and Moussi seems to have also had his fate decided. So perhaps a new midfielder being brought in would signal the end f the respective Forest careers.

Wednesday, July 24, 2013

Is It Worth Splashing the Cash?

There are those who are saying we should fly in the face of the new FFP rules and splash the cash on players and ignore the consequences in chasing promotion. Whilst on the surface that seems a beautiful dream it has extreme perils too.


Much of what I say will be based on previous teams and previous attempts to do this, and that just chucking money at the promotion issue isn’t always the great solution it seems. However, there are as many if not more occasions where it has resulted in success.

You could argue that the recent presence of QPR and Wigan, and the ongoing presence of Fulham owe more to wholesale financial investment rather than actual quality. Remember Fulham were in the doldrums football wise before al-Fayed took them up the leagues, before selling up this season. Although now cemented the size of their ground and relative size to neighbours means they are always going to overspend. Likewise Wigan, who flew up the leagues due to heavy investment, and QPR till their relegation looked the same? So investment reaps rewards!??

No, not quite. Leeds United will always be that classic case of spending to achieve success and when that success fails, not being able to pay those bills. Now we have the rich benefactor that is Fawaz but it still means these players are club employees with wages and all that goes with it. Fawaz insists he is here for the long term, but Forest fans can be all too aware the very worst can happen. I’m not quite killing Fawaz off, but the point remains, you have to plan frugally to avoid any potential long term disaster. In a similar vein, Fawaz sources of income could easily be hit hard and in those situations you cut off your main siphons of cash. That’d be Forest.

So moving back to Leeds, loading up on expensive players doesn’t mean they achieve that success, and when they don’t that bill to foot is hard. Because often everything in future budgets is related to where you think you will be. Leeds borrowed and budgeted against Champions League finances and when it didn’t happen the bubble burst.

Nowhere more illustrated than with Portsmouth, who will be ploughing their trade at such low ebb after chasing a dream they could never really afford. That’s a potential result of doing what we’re doing. I trust the al-Hasawi's have the best interests at heart, but you have to hope their heads match their hearts for that sake.

Anything in financial terms has a bubble where prices can inflate till it explodes. Football is no exception. So yes we could go out and spend the relatively modest to Premier League fees of £10 million on players, but in the Championship, that’s a gigantic figure. Clubs who spend anything above £2.5 million overall these days have splashed it around a little bit. So much of the division is made up of clubs who roughly cope financially, breaking even is a success. Further relegations are painful financially, and thats before potential sanctions should we fall into administration.

Another aspect of just going out and trying to buy success is that it just doesn’t always work. Yes you have quality players, but without the right blend it doesn’t work. Here we look at Leicester. They have spent big sums in the last few years, but they just don’t get the blend right, and have failed to achieve what they set out for. Comparing that to someone like Palace who were finacially in danger a few years ago and changed their entire structure and they achieved success.

It’s that Palace model which I think more clubs should aspire to. But the lure and promise of top flight football and the riches it brings forces the hand of club owners to chase the impossible dream. Not only is investment needed, but sound management.

So in essence should we spend those huge sums we are linked with spending? It’s a risk maybe worth taking, but it’s one that frankly scares me as the possibilities if we fail are being left with expensive players on huge wages. Is it a risk worth taking? Perhaps

The rules on FFP are quite clear though now, but the periods of reprimand have somewhat changed. Based on the football leagues website should we be promoted this year we would be sanctioned, BUT would avoid the transfer embargo placed had we done it any later? The fine would vary from 1% for £100,000 over spend to 100% for £10,000,000 or above (then shared amongst the clubs) Baring in mind we were running at apparently around £5-7mill deficit depending on your source for the period before this spate of spending, it makes you wonder if the al-Hasawi's have decided to risk it. There is a maximum loss of £8mill allowed, £3 if the chairman doesn’t inject equity. That or we are indeed about to announce a bumper sponsorship deal. This would offset the costs. Now at higher levels this is something they are aware of and have legislated for (there is a policy of setting market values on stadium sponsorship and suchlike) but what the exact rules are I’m unsure. Bear in mind the multi millions deals done for stadium sponsorship, we could certainly look at that revenue stream to justify a large spend and get round FFP.

That would certainly explain any splurges, I have seen said by others if there is an Algerian or Arabic connection, taking Guedioura to Kuwait, and the targeting of Algerian players (or perhaps Pep just recommended them, or has been used as a lure) Either way, it seems that the club have decided to spend. As a fan this excites me, naturally I want quality, but the realist is worried what the implications could be if we don’t go up. Although firmly in support of the al-Hasawi’s we have before looked at why they own us, wondering the motives. Hopefully the spin is right, Fawaz does love Forest, but there remain question marks. Namely they turned Everton down before taking over Forest. So what’s the aim? How many care as long as we succeed on the way?

Monday, July 22, 2013

Should We Take Notice of Friendly's?

Saturday, although I didn’t go and had to “watch” via the medium of Twitter was somewhat of an eye opener. I’ll be honest I don’t see much point in going to friendly's. I’ve been to a few in the past and my view is any game that isn’t competitive, i.e. have anything to play for is boring. How can you get excited when there is absolutely nothing at stake?


But there are those who judging by this weekend seem to think that they are of the most vital importance. And then try and read a lot into games where we may have experimented, tried some new things out, using players differently, or just used it for a training exercise.

The fact that people have been reading so much into certain player’s performances is a bit odd. By this I mainly refer to Matt Derbyshire who is driving a wedge between sets of fans who recognise this may be a fresh start and those who can never see him doing well. I remain unconvinced either way. You cannot ascribe pre season form to what will happen in the regular season, it’s just completely different. You can’t replicate the pressure, or any of the circumstances.

I also have to refer to the droves of fans on Twitter who whilst were were losing 2-1 to Antwerp decided this means we should already write off the season, ship out half the players and start again. The Knee Jerker’s as I have often to referred to as must have blood pressure so high that I’m surprised their heads don’t explode if they get in such a tangle over a game that doesn’t even matter. They just veer from one extreme of emotion to another it seems.

I know footballers are usually not attributed with the highest of intelligence, but they surely have a higher level of intelligence on the game than you or I, it is after all their living. Therefore the fact some people seemed to suggest winning friendly’s builds confidence is a little churlish. Footballers know better than to attribute form from a friendly, onto potential league form, afterall if that was the case, why bother playing anyone decent t and just play non league whipping boys.

Another aspect to friendly’s is this. People see it as a chance to be able to trial tactics, but bear in mind their managers might therefore attend games to scout their future opposition. Throwing a couple of red herrings is also a potential tactic here.

And then there’s the mindless conjecture. A player misses the game; it must mean he’s off? Like what’s happening with Adlene right now, and coupled with the Post doing a none story about how Guedioura may or may not attract Premiership interest and Forest may or may not accept bids, its completely mindless journalism, commenting nothing, but making people sit up and no doubt attracting hits and selling papers. There is nothing in it. But people have put that news together with his absence this weekend and decided he must be off. It’s frankly ridiculous. Adlene was with Fawaz and Billy selling the club to potential sponsors in Kuwait apparently.

But as I say reading too much into Friendly's is a very dangerous game, trying to see what the starting 11 might be, or what the set up looks like, until that first starting XI starts against Huddersfield, we won’t know for sure. So it’s not worth getting aggro about games that don’t matter and don’t really affect anything.