Ok so not live blogging or update upon update, but when I can and where I can I will try to follow the latest news going on with the deadline day madness, seeing as we’re still meant to be in for people.
Will Sako, Holt, Leadbitter, Vaz Te, or Morgan sign. Who will depart. We will follow the news today
9am: So here we go first update... David Nugent is being linked, as is Liam Bridcutt at Brighton. Some wag is suggesting Benteke might be coming, forgetting he has a new contract and frankly would be as likely as signing Messi or Ronaldo. There is nothing concrete in either direction yet. No departures really being rumoured, though Blackstocks name is being bandied around
10.30 Update
Well, the usual names are being chucked around, Nugent and Sako are getting the most tweets and the most likely sounding also. Few others being thrown in for good measure include Aaron Wilbraham, Luciano Becchio, and Josh McEachran. I can’t see any of those 3 being likely.
Still nothing concrete, still just guesswork.
As for outs, nothing there either. For all of how breathless I thought this might be, it’s all rather... well. Quiet. It’s not going to be one of those deadline days again is it?
12 Noon.
And it looks like Guy Moussi could be out the door. Rumoured to be £500k for the Frenchman, which would be a profit and not a bad bit of business. Sheffield Wednesday looks like his destination. Say what you like, on his day the man is a machine and will be missed, if not only for the behind the scenes stories. There isn;t anything official yet though.
Adlene Guedioura is now being linked with Crystal Palace according to Sky. Not a huge surprise because Davies has been rumoured to be unsure on the Algerian. However at the same time he was influential in bringing in Abdoun, and was being used to market the club in Kuwait. It may be he is used to finance a deal for the the type of ball carrying defensive midfielder Davies clearly wants. However the rumour is Palace are in talks about the possibility. It might have been a very short conversation.
Again nothing official.
On the subject of in’s no further updates or news has sprung up. Unless you count what certainly looks unlikely in a loan bid for Obi Mikel from Chelsea.
1330 Update
No updates on Moussi to Wednesday and Guedioura to Palace. They both remain seemingly on. Although apparently Bannan going to Palace might see their Guedioura interest ended, there is also apparent chatter Palace aren’t alone in terms of Premiership clubs eyeing Adlene.
On any players at the start of the day being mentioned as departures, well no news on Miller, Derbyshire, Blackstock, or Gillett being off.
It’s all rather quiet, save for spurts of conjecture with no real basis.
This is all going to be rather anti climatic isn’t it?
Oh and if I see one more bloody eye joke I might scream.
1600 Update
In an attempt to at least have something salient, I tried leaving it an extra hour. Remember what I said about periods of quiet punctuated with a flurry of mental activity, well....
Liam Bridcutt has started to be wildly linked after a passing mention on Twitter this morning, this has either started to spread like wildfire with little basis, or there is some substance to this. Paul Taylor felt the need to mention on it, that in the absence of a Leadbitter deal it may be plan B. A plan B which would likely be expensive, and I really can’t see one of last seasons top teams selling a vital player. That said, you never know. Brighton have supposedly said he isn't for sale.
Adlene is still being linked with Palace, though after a few hours now the furore has settled. It also doesn’t seem to have moved on anywhere. So it’s still a little unclear. I’d argue the longer these go on without something more concrete that they might have been sheer speculation, but a lot of these rumours slow burn all day and if he was en route to Croydon, well that’s not an quick and easy journey to make.
Stephen McLaughlin is going out on loan to Bristol city, where he joins up with ex Forest boss Sean O’Driscoll. The exposure to regular first team football will surely show whether he will be able to make the step up, and have a huge impact on his future so he has a lot to prove. A lot of hopefully motivating factors for the Irishman.
And now Matty Fryatt is being strongly linked by Sky. Forest apparently with a loan move for the striker. The average reaction on twitter is one of indifference bordering on disappointment. This is before a player is even signed and pulls on a shirt. These same people also usually say trust in Fawaz or Trust in Billy, yet now are complete armchair managers. Anyway, he looks like being the latest solution to the striker issue.
20.30 Update
All very quiet. Doesn't look like anything happening. Not even confirmation of the supposed Moussi and McLaughlin deals. Same old Deadline Day Forest.Thing is we really don't need much anyway. What we have is good enough to be up there.
Showing posts with label Transfer Window. Show all posts
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Monday, September 2, 2013
Thursday, July 11, 2013
Twitter and the Rise of the ITK
Some of you, I am aware, may not be on Twitter or forums, and may not therefore know what an ITK is. Basically it’s someone claiming to be In the Know. If someone needs to claim to ITK, chances are they aren’t. Much like most things in life, those that protest too much are often doing so for a reason.
There is a proliferation of accounts pertaining to be a journalist, or a Consultant to a Sports Management company, or even agents, such wonderfully vague descriptions. The journalists claim to work for a website which will be no more than a trumped up blog site. I could easily therefore claim myself to be a journalist, but that would be silly, I am far from it. But an out of work 21 year old with nothing better to do, well yeah he might claim it, to give himself a little self worth. A Consultant for a Sports Management company is such a wonderfully vague and hard to corroborate title that they might be. They might have been consulted once, many months ago, about something else, so it adds credence to the title. And as for football agent, well yeah, there’s a reason they never say who they are, as that info can be checked on UEFA’s approved list.
So already there we have this rise of accounts claiming to be spilling amazing cutting edge knowledge no-one else does. That’s because they chuck that much crap at a wall, some of it is bound to stick. If I speculate enough that a “striker” is signing and that mention he scored x goals in a European division, it sounds wonderfully cryptic and that I am giving you enough info to guess. Instead it’s enough rope to hang yourself, as it’s just so none specific as to be ridiculous. When something does happen they point to the fact “Well I got that right.”
If you look at any vague none specific prediction you might look right. Astrologers have made careers out of it, Nostradamus is famous for it, but if you actually looked closely at strike rates it’ll be low, until you start moulding that information to suit the means end.
So the news yesterday that we were after 3 players sent these accounts into an orgy of speculation. This then fuels the more hot headed on Twitter and forums into wildly speculating if so and so are the signing. This is the reason these guys do it. Attention. It’s a sad world we live in where by these people are so craving attention and followers that they have to lie. Last year it would be fake accounts, or parody’s. Apart from very clever ones these got tired quickly and are seldom seen (not that it’s currently stopping some) S now it’s all about appearing to have knowledge,
But we have reached a point I believe now where we have become drained and bored of these that even their time is passing. The first few were believed, the next few were taken with a pinch of salt, and the current crop are scorned and disliked. Seen for the ridiculousness of their very enterprise.
That’s the nature of the transfer window though. It breeds such a quick fire burst of activity that it launches everyone into wild speculation. The immediacy of news these days and the rise of 24 hour Sky Sports News means we are so desperate to have our appetites for this sort of thing to be filled. Coupled with at Forest the presence of Fawaz and family and advisers on Twitter it fosters a whole host of new speculation. It’s a frenzy we never saw under Doughty.
But it’s almost unhealthy. Those who are gullible are then laughed at and it creates hostility. Then there are fans that get angry we haven’t signed someone we were rumoured to be in for. But it was only a rumour. People can’t seem to see the distinction between a rumour and the truth. “Why haven’t we signed x player yet” some may ask... Well the truth might be we were never in for them, or that they couldn’t agree a deal.
I like Twitter as a medium for finding the news and interacting, but by gods it can be a frustrating place in transfer windows. I will never understand fans tweeting at a player asking if he’s going to sign (as if that would ever happen) or demanding the chairman sign his suggestion. People then get angry we might sign someone from a Champions League qualified team, and not Billy Sharp. It’s not your bloody choice pal. It’s down to Fawaz and Billy. Leave them be to get on with business. You’re not helping.
There is a proliferation of accounts pertaining to be a journalist, or a Consultant to a Sports Management company, or even agents, such wonderfully vague descriptions. The journalists claim to work for a website which will be no more than a trumped up blog site. I could easily therefore claim myself to be a journalist, but that would be silly, I am far from it. But an out of work 21 year old with nothing better to do, well yeah he might claim it, to give himself a little self worth. A Consultant for a Sports Management company is such a wonderfully vague and hard to corroborate title that they might be. They might have been consulted once, many months ago, about something else, so it adds credence to the title. And as for football agent, well yeah, there’s a reason they never say who they are, as that info can be checked on UEFA’s approved list.
So already there we have this rise of accounts claiming to be spilling amazing cutting edge knowledge no-one else does. That’s because they chuck that much crap at a wall, some of it is bound to stick. If I speculate enough that a “striker” is signing and that mention he scored x goals in a European division, it sounds wonderfully cryptic and that I am giving you enough info to guess. Instead it’s enough rope to hang yourself, as it’s just so none specific as to be ridiculous. When something does happen they point to the fact “Well I got that right.”
If you look at any vague none specific prediction you might look right. Astrologers have made careers out of it, Nostradamus is famous for it, but if you actually looked closely at strike rates it’ll be low, until you start moulding that information to suit the means end.
So the news yesterday that we were after 3 players sent these accounts into an orgy of speculation. This then fuels the more hot headed on Twitter and forums into wildly speculating if so and so are the signing. This is the reason these guys do it. Attention. It’s a sad world we live in where by these people are so craving attention and followers that they have to lie. Last year it would be fake accounts, or parody’s. Apart from very clever ones these got tired quickly and are seldom seen (not that it’s currently stopping some) S now it’s all about appearing to have knowledge,
But we have reached a point I believe now where we have become drained and bored of these that even their time is passing. The first few were believed, the next few were taken with a pinch of salt, and the current crop are scorned and disliked. Seen for the ridiculousness of their very enterprise.
That’s the nature of the transfer window though. It breeds such a quick fire burst of activity that it launches everyone into wild speculation. The immediacy of news these days and the rise of 24 hour Sky Sports News means we are so desperate to have our appetites for this sort of thing to be filled. Coupled with at Forest the presence of Fawaz and family and advisers on Twitter it fosters a whole host of new speculation. It’s a frenzy we never saw under Doughty.
But it’s almost unhealthy. Those who are gullible are then laughed at and it creates hostility. Then there are fans that get angry we haven’t signed someone we were rumoured to be in for. But it was only a rumour. People can’t seem to see the distinction between a rumour and the truth. “Why haven’t we signed x player yet” some may ask... Well the truth might be we were never in for them, or that they couldn’t agree a deal.
I like Twitter as a medium for finding the news and interacting, but by gods it can be a frustrating place in transfer windows. I will never understand fans tweeting at a player asking if he’s going to sign (as if that would ever happen) or demanding the chairman sign his suggestion. People then get angry we might sign someone from a Champions League qualified team, and not Billy Sharp. It’s not your bloody choice pal. It’s down to Fawaz and Billy. Leave them be to get on with business. You’re not helping.
Monday, July 1, 2013
The Window is Open and It's the Same Old Madness
Every year now since the transfer window we seem to getting whipped up into a frenzy of excitement of having to assemble as good a squad together in 2 months as is humanly possible before August 31st. Forgetting of course that usually it only gets exciting in the last few days.
Now people suggest we should try and sort it sooner, to assemble a crack squad early and let them gel in training, but that’s living in some kind of utopian dream world and forgets how much of this works.
Clubs (and for that matter free agents) will be holding out for as good a deal as they can early on. As the drastic realisation that the window is about to shut looms, then those terms for a deal will be reduced. It’s like buying anything. When you rush out straight away, you pay a premium, if you bide your time, bargains can be had, and yeah your first choice may have gone already, but what’s out there is still good enough.
MyOnlyForest blog just did a wonderful piece where they round up how some fans (usually the highly excitable or just young and stupid) demand millions be spent straight away. Fans dementedly tweeting Fawaz he should sign this and that player (ignoring that surely you’d want Billy to be choosing signings rather than Fawaz cherry picking randomly tweeted suggestions) and then getting upset that their killer tip (taken from Football Manager) hasn’t been signed.
The madness that develops when another club signs a player we saw as a target and the anger that we must not be offering enough which means a) we haven money!! Or b) that player is greedy!! Rather than the simplicity we put one value on him, and another club just valued him more or were simply more desperate. This madness is only rivalled by when an ex player who is any good becomes available, and we all go nuts that they weren’t snapped up.
My favourite facet of a transfer rumour is when a player is linked, someone finds said players Twitter account and tweets him asking if it’s true he is signing for the club. Yes of course he will give everything away to some random 15 year old kid that he is indeed spurning signing for one club for Forest instead. The very fact is continues to happens baffles me.
When we do sign someone, people then moan they don’t think he’s good enough. This happens all too often. Never mind the fact that there is a whole history of players not succeeding or doing well at one club moving to another and flourishing. Plus also again as MyOnlyForest pointed out people seem to think only players from the Premier League are worth signing, and a young upcoming kid from down the league isn’t worth even looking at. (Which ignores some of our best recent deals, Chris Cohen, Garath McLeary, Luke Chambers, etc)
So the madness truly begins today. There’s been some names bandied about which just seem ridiculous. If we did sign them, it’s a statement of intent, but at the end of the day splurging a lot of money on players isn’t a guarantee of success. Just ask Leicester. And it took Cardiff years of trying this to finally succeed.
No, building steadily, being patient and targeting the right players for the team is the solution. Not randomly chasing every half decent player who becomes available. That approach achieves nothing other than an overpriced unbalanced squad. Which is what McClaren tried. See how that worked for us?
Now people suggest we should try and sort it sooner, to assemble a crack squad early and let them gel in training, but that’s living in some kind of utopian dream world and forgets how much of this works.
Clubs (and for that matter free agents) will be holding out for as good a deal as they can early on. As the drastic realisation that the window is about to shut looms, then those terms for a deal will be reduced. It’s like buying anything. When you rush out straight away, you pay a premium, if you bide your time, bargains can be had, and yeah your first choice may have gone already, but what’s out there is still good enough.
MyOnlyForest blog just did a wonderful piece where they round up how some fans (usually the highly excitable or just young and stupid) demand millions be spent straight away. Fans dementedly tweeting Fawaz he should sign this and that player (ignoring that surely you’d want Billy to be choosing signings rather than Fawaz cherry picking randomly tweeted suggestions) and then getting upset that their killer tip (taken from Football Manager) hasn’t been signed.
The madness that develops when another club signs a player we saw as a target and the anger that we must not be offering enough which means a) we haven money!! Or b) that player is greedy!! Rather than the simplicity we put one value on him, and another club just valued him more or were simply more desperate. This madness is only rivalled by when an ex player who is any good becomes available, and we all go nuts that they weren’t snapped up.
My favourite facet of a transfer rumour is when a player is linked, someone finds said players Twitter account and tweets him asking if it’s true he is signing for the club. Yes of course he will give everything away to some random 15 year old kid that he is indeed spurning signing for one club for Forest instead. The very fact is continues to happens baffles me.
When we do sign someone, people then moan they don’t think he’s good enough. This happens all too often. Never mind the fact that there is a whole history of players not succeeding or doing well at one club moving to another and flourishing. Plus also again as MyOnlyForest pointed out people seem to think only players from the Premier League are worth signing, and a young upcoming kid from down the league isn’t worth even looking at. (Which ignores some of our best recent deals, Chris Cohen, Garath McLeary, Luke Chambers, etc)
So the madness truly begins today. There’s been some names bandied about which just seem ridiculous. If we did sign them, it’s a statement of intent, but at the end of the day splurging a lot of money on players isn’t a guarantee of success. Just ask Leicester. And it took Cardiff years of trying this to finally succeed.
No, building steadily, being patient and targeting the right players for the team is the solution. Not randomly chasing every half decent player who becomes available. That approach achieves nothing other than an overpriced unbalanced squad. Which is what McClaren tried. See how that worked for us?
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